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<!--Generated by Squarespace Site Server v5.9.2 (http://www.squarespace.com/) on Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:17:04 GMT--><rss xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" version="2.0"><channel><title>Of Laws and Men</title><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/</link><description>Notes on legal and other matters, by Fergus O'Rourke</description><lastBuildDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:16:23 +0000</lastBuildDate><copyright>FERGUS O'ROURKE</copyright><language>en-IE</language><generator>Squarespace Site Server v5.9.2 (http://www.squarespace.com/)</generator><item><title>On Being "Out of Touch" - Or Not</title><category>Civilisation and its Discontents</category><category>Distance as undemocratic</category><category>Politics</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:31:50 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/3/8/on-being-out-of-touch-or-not.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6872516</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>A common <em>meme</em> of discussion on politics and politicians in Ireland (and elsewhere) is that politicians are "out of touch"  with the feelings, concerns and even the requirements of the voters to whom they are responsible and accountable.</p><p>Maybe they are - some of them certainly are - but it seems to me that it is unlikely that, as a class, politicians are more out of touch than anyone else. To the contrary, in fact.</p><p></p><p>Since so much of our discussion of these matters takes place in the mass media, almost always in contexts chosen and moderated by journalists, and in which journalists are often the only interlocutors, it is inevitable that the voters to whom reference is made in those discussions are not the generality of voters but those voters with whom the journalistic class identify.</p><p>I do not intend to suggest that journalists as a class identify solely with a narrow group rather than with the generality. They do <strong>tend </strong>to so identify, however, and I <strong>do</strong> intend to insinuate that journalists, and the "lay" people with whom they like to discuss current affairs, may well be more out of touch than politicians are. </p><p>As always, I may well be wrong. </p><p>But I ask you to consider this: </p><blockquote>
<ul>
  <li>Elected politicians owe their jobs to being <u>in</u> touch</li><li>Out of touch politicians lose their jobs</li><li>In Ireland at least, journalists have a dreadful record when it comes to predicting election results</li><li>Journalists who are out of touch with the general electorate do <u>not</u> lose their jobs</li>
</blockquote><p>It is not guaranteed to be so, but I suggest that people whose future depends on getting public opinion right are more likely to succeed in that than people whose futures are not so dependent.</p></span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6872516.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>The Perils of a Solicitor's Undertaking</title><category>Financial Services Law</category><category>IrishLaw</category><category>Mortgage</category><category>Security</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/3/5/the-perils-of-a-solicitors-undertaking.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6671723</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>A <a href="http://short.ie/mcgui">recent decision by the Irish High Court </a>(Peart J.) exposes some of the sloppy banking and legal practices which characterised the Madness, and have contributed to the scale of the crash. The case is remarkable in a number of ways and I may return to the sloppy practices on another occasion.</p><p>I will here confine myself to noting this summary by Peart J.  - a former solicitor, be it noted ! - of how the court will approach an application to enforce a solicitor's undertaking:</p><blockquote> <p>In summary, the following principles emerge from the judgment of Laffoy J. and Geoghegan J. in <a href="http://short.ie/coleman">Coleman</a>, and the authorities considered therein:</p>            
<ol>
  <li>The Court has an inherent jurisdiction in matters concerning the conduct of solicitors, being officers of the court, including but not confined to compliance with their undertakings.</li><li>It is both a punitive and compensatory jurisdiction.
</li><li>It is discretionary and unfettered in nature requiring each case to be considered on its own facts and circumstances.</li><li>In its exercise, the Court is concerned to uphold the integrity of the system, and the highest standards of honourable behaviour by its officers - a standard higher than that required by law generally.</li><li>The order made by the Court can take whatever form best serves the interests of justice between the parties.</li><li>In the matter of undertakings, the Court must consider the entire undertaking in order to reach a conclusion as to its real ultimate purpose.</li><li>The Court may order compliance with the undertaking, though late, where there remains a reasonable possibility of so doing.</li><li>Even where the undertaking may still be complied with, the Court may nevertheless order the solicitor to make good any loss actually occasioned by the breach of undertaking, which may or may not be the entire of the sum which was the subject of the undertaking.</li><li>Where compliance is not possible to achieve by the time the Court is deciding what order to make, if any, it may order the solicitor to make good any loss actually occasioned by the breach of undertaking.</li><li>Carelessness or other form of negligence on the part of the person affected by the undertaking, and in relation to the matter the subject thereof, may be a factor which the Court will have regard to when determining what order may be fair and just.</li><li>Any order the Court may make ought not be oppressive on the solicitor. Nevertheless, gross carelessness or other conduct considered sufficiently egregious by the Court, though falling short of criminal behaviour or even professional misconduct, will entitle the Court, should it consider it just to do so, to order payment of the entire sum which was the subject of the undertaking, and not simply a lesser sum in respect of loss actually occasioned by the breach of undertaking.</li></ol><p>To these statements of principle which I perceive to emerge from Coleman and the other cases referred to therein, I would add one other which is linked in a way to that at 11 above. </p><p>It is this. It seems to me that the special supervisory jurisdiction being exercised by the Court in these matters is not unlike an equitable jurisdiction, given the wide discretionary nature thereof, and its objective of ensuring that justice is done between the parties in a broad sense.</p><p> In my view, therefore, it seems to me that it is not inappropriate or otherwise wrong for this Court to have regard to the overall behaviour of the solicitor, somewhat akin to seeing whether a person who is claiming an equitable relief has come to court with clean hands, even where the undertaking may be still reasonably capable of being completed, and even where the loss actually occasioned and sustained by the claimant may be less than the entire sum which was the subject of the undertaking.</p></blockquote><p>The Court went on to order that the firm of solicitors should pay over to the bank the entire amount of the loan (€3m) plus interest and costs. This was approximately €1 million more than it would cost to belatedly comply with the undertaking.</p><p>Now, that's what I call "non-oppression".</p>

</span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6671723.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>What'd You Expect ? You Left the Keys in the Car</title><category>Contract Law</category><category>Financial Services Law</category><category>Insurance Coverage law</category><category>Insurance law</category><category>Utmost Good faith</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:50:43 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/3/2/whatd-you-expect-you-left-the-keys-in-the-car.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6636975</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;">

<p>You leave your house to go to work. You get into the car, start the engine and then realise that your windscreen is covered in frost. You jump out, run into the house to get some water, knock down your small child and have to console her. When you emerge again, still only 5 minutes later, your vehicle has been stolen. </p><p>Your insurer says that it will not cover your loss, as you left the vehicle "unlocked and unattended" and with the keys "in or on" it. You therefore failed to take "reasonable care" of your property, and you cannot expect the insurance company to pay for that.</p><p>It's obvious, no ? </p><p>Well, no it isn't,as the UK's Financial Ombudsman Service make clear <a href="http://short.ie/carky">here</a>.</p>
</span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6636975.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>Necessary But Not Sufficient</title><category>Bank Rescue Watch</category><category>Civilisation and its Discontents</category><category>Economics</category><category>Language problems</category><category>NAMA</category><category>Politics</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:16:18 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/3/1/necessary-but-not-sufficient.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6775898</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>Have our journalists and politicians forgotten the distinction between "necessary" and "sufficient" ?</p><p>For example, as all adults know, many things (such as water, flour, heat) are necessary in order to produce a loaf of bread. To take just one, bread will not be produced if there is no heat (and not just any heat). So, if heating is not available, it is rational to repeat, until it is accepted and rectified, that the absence of a hot oven is a bar to progress on the bread issue. </p><p>However, it does not follow that solution of the hot oven deficit will be sufficient to solve the bread shortage.</p><p>As for bread, so for a healthy functioning credit system: NAMA, if I am wrong but the Government is correct, is necessary for "the banks are to start lending again", but it is most definitely not sufficient to bring that result about.</p><p>Journalists, politicians and other commentators, please take note. We need a better-quality debate.</p></span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6775898.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>Reasons To Be Cheerful #5</title><category>Economics</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:03:27 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/2/21/reasons-to-be-cheerful-5.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6776036</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>Via <a href="http://short.ie/geone">Gerard O'Neill</a> again</p><blockquote>Irish sales managers and directors ... are increasingly of the view that the worst is over in the Irish market, with recovery coming slowly but eventually. And one good test of their optimism - one in four sales managers expects to expand their sales team this year</blockquote><p>The full survey is <a href="http://short.ie/am0210">here</a>.</p></span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6776036.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>They "Don't Want-ta"</title><category>Civilisation and its Discontents</category><category>Cork</category><category>Humour</category><category>Politics</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:13:37 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/2/14/they-dont-want-ta.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6687076</guid><description><![CDATA[<p><em>I suggest that if you find the story that now follows implausible, you really don't know Ireland.</em></p><span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>Back in the bad old days (circa 1988) when Evil stalked the land, a well-got businessman of my acquaintance imported in his briefcase a floppy disc of business software for which he had paid £100 in Manchester. Although he knew well that there was zero chance of being caught "smuggling" it in, as plenty of others still do regularly, being an upright pillar of the business community, he approached the customs officials at Cork airport seeking to pay the proper excise duty and/or VAT. </p><p>Under pressure now, he may allow that he was indulging his curiosity and/or being a bit disingenuous. If one were being cynical - a rare event hereabouts, I know - one might suspect that he had recently encountered the UK Internal Revenue services on a typically unsympathetic day, and wished to compare and contrast.
</p><p>The man to whom he spoke was rather taken aback - "<em>£100 for that ?</em>" - and clearly had never seen a diskette, nor wanted to know of imported software. Having unsuccessfully ventured to suggest to my friend several excuses for non-declaration that might be usefully claimed, he finally said "<em>Yerra, go on, we'll let you off this time</em>", but my friend was insistent. He tried to explain that he intended to use it in his business and it would cause all sorts of accounting problems, as well as awkwardness with the tax and VAT Inspectors if it wasn't all "above board".</p><p>The official looked at him as if he had just tried to persuade him that Charlie Haughey was the Son of God, but agreed to see what he could do. He then walked down to the other end of the office, and made a phone call. </p><p>The official was - you've already "twigged", haven't you ? - one of those endearing characters with a naturally clear Cork voice which carried all the way down to where my friend waited.This is how it went:<blockquote>Mick, howzit going ?... Great stuff... Go way ! I hate those Meath fellas <strike>more GAA gossip deleted</strike>...Listen, Mick, I have this fella here with a piece of plastic that he says he wants to declare...no,no, he's not from <strike>expletive deleted</strike> Dublin ... yeah, Irish...yeah really...I think he's one of them <strike>family name deleted</strike> fellas, I know ... looks useless to me...£100...looseware or sumpthin'...no, that's it, soft, yeah...I dunno...is there a code ?...no, I know, yeh, yeh...(snort) yeah...no, Mick,</p><p>...no...</p><p> <strong>I already told him that but he don't want-ta.</strong>..</p></blockquote>

Over at <a href="http://short.ie/puin">Public Inquiry</a>, Anthony Sheridan says:<blockquote>... the people should indeed take ownership, not of the reform process, but of the political system itself</blockquote>

<p>I say that many of the people - he calls them "morons" - Anthony and his ilk get most annoyed about, <em>e.g.</em> Eoghan Harris, already tried to get "the People" to do that: <strong>they "don't want-ta"</strong>. <p><p>It's not some kind of accident that we have a Fianna Fáil-dominated government, or that we have had one so often: it is the result of a functioning electoral process that is not "rotten", and produces political leadership which is the genuine free choice of the voters. Like it or not - and I don't - we have to live with this. (Only until the next election, if the opinion polls are to be believed, mind you, when Anthony will get to suffer under a different set of "morons").</p><p>This does not mean that there is nothing for good people like Anthony, his nephew Gavin, <a href="http://short.ie/eb">Dr Elaine Byrne</a>, John Handelaar and many others to do. <span class="full-image-float-right ssNonEditable"><span><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/buddyicons/80669412@N00.jpg?1096308900#80669412@N00&__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1268047193531" alt=""/></span><span class="thumbnail-caption">Mr Handelaar</span></span>If nothing else, and there is plenty more where those named are concerned, they are part of the corps who provide the "eternal vigilance" without which our freedom from tyranny will atrophy.</p><p>Anthony, temporarily (I hope) carried away, calls for our "<em>current rotten system</em>" to be destroyed so that it can be replaced with ... well, "<em>the people should take ownership</em>", Anthony says. This would seem to mean in practice (bear with me !) that pure, idealistic, good people - by whom is meant, one has to suspect, people like himself and Elaine Byrne - with rational, transparent, ideas uncorrupted by money, or anything else, would guide The People to A Better Place.</p><p>Unfortunately, there is no reason to believe that Elaine, anyone who shares her views, or indeed <strong>anyone</strong> is capable of putting into place - just like that, Tommy Cooper-like - a "system" that works better. It just might be otherwise (though I doubt it) if everyone was like Anthony, or like you, or even like me, but everyone isn't, and they are never going to be. </p><p>And don't fool yourself that it is otherwise anywhere else in the world, even if it is undeniable that Ireland is very imperfect in all sorts of maddening, and impoverishing, ways.</p></span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6687076.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>Reasons To Be Cheerful #4</title><category>Economics</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/2/13/reasons-to-be-cheerful-4.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6636644</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;">
<p>From Gerard O'Neill's <a href="http://short.ie/edstats">Turbulence Ahead</a> blog:</p><blockquote>We already have the highest level of
share of population in education of any country in the European Union
(according to <a href="http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/product_details/publication?p_product_code=978-92-9201-033-1">Eurostat</a>),
and our level of participation in education beyond the compulsory school
age is also high (<strong>85% of Irish 18 year olds are still in education
versus just 50% of British and German 18 year olds</strong>).</blockquote><p> (Emphasis added by me.)</p>

</span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6636644.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>Jim Flavin's Three Mistakes</title><category>Companies Law</category><category>DCC</category><category>Fyffes/DCC</category><category>IrishLaw</category><category>Jim Flavin</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/2/13/jim-flavins-three-mistakes.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6593643</guid><description><![CDATA[<span class="full-image-block ssNonEditable"><span><img style="width: 180px;" src="http://www.irish-lawyer.com/storage/flavin.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1266049402349" alt=""/></span></span><span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>I think that I can confidently say that Mr Flavin has made many more than three (but perhaps not as many as I have). However, I am confining myself here to setting out what I see as his three key errors in the transaction which gave rise to the action against his company (DCC plc) by Fyffes plc.</p><p><strong><em>Failure to Use the Legal Shield</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The law of which Mr Flavin fell foul provided a mechanism which, had it been used, would have protected him and DCC from Fyffes'action.<a href="http://short.ie/1087">The provision is here</a>. </p></p> The Inspector's report reveals that in 1995, Michael Scholefield, DCC's compliance officer, actually suggested using this mechanism. Unfortunately, the idea was not followed up.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>Talking to the Buyers</strong></em></p> <p>Within DCC, only Mr Flavin had the information which was later deemed price-sensitive. Had he referred the first call from Kyran McLaughlin (representing the first group of eventual buyers of the Fyffes' shares) to Fergal O'Dwyer or another director of Lotus Green, it is likely that the outcome of the court case would have been different.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>Insufficient Legal Advice</strong></em></p> <p>Mr Flavin discussed his awareness of the information with Mr Scholefield and with the company's solicitor, Alvin Price of William Fry, but he did not fully share with either of them the exact nature of the information. He did not seek a meeting with, or formal opinion from, senior counsel.</p><p>Even if more extensive consultation had not changed the advice given, he would have been less likely to have been subject to the criticism that he had merely "gone through the motions".</p></span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6593643.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>How a Journalist Came to Understand Jim Flavin's Position</title><category>DCC</category><category>Fyffes/DCC</category><category>Jim Flavin</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/2/11/how-a-journalist-came-to-understand-jim-flavins-position.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6583492</guid><description><![CDATA[<p> </p><span style="font-size: 118%;"><p>You are a journalist. You are lucky enough to receive a story exclusively which turns out to be sensational and publishable. Following publication, your paper's circulation and advertising rates rise dramatically. You earn satisfying amounts of extra cash on TV and radio talking about the story, and from commissioned articles all over the world. You are promoted to a more senior position.</p><p>The story is about the boss, Mr Big, of major company A plc which was attempting to take-over a slightly less major one, B plc.</p><p>The take-over is aborted, and the boss, though denying the story, loses the confidence of his board and retires. Shortly afterwards, B plc is taken over by C plc. It so happens that members of your family, but not you, own lots of shares in C plc. You didn't know about the shares. No-one knew at the time of publication of your story that C plc was remotely likely to buy B plc.</p><p>Not so long after that, it emerges that your story was a massive hoax, in which you were a totally innocent dupe like everyone else.</p><p>Mr Big comes after you, alleging that you were not innocent at all, that you dreamed the whole thing up yourself, and that you among other things defamed and defrauded him to promote your own career and earn money both for yourself and for your family. He sues for defamation and demands that you be prosecuted for fraud.</p>
<p>The defamation action proceeds, but the police are "still investigating the case".</p>
<p>You, and only you, know the full truth, which is that you are actually totally innocent, in the sense that you believed that your story was true, and that you genuinely had no idea that C plc was owned in part by your family. You also knew all along, though, that your anonymous informant was involved with C plc. You have never disclosed her identity - even to your editor. You didn't disclose her connections because you did not think that they were relevant, although the paper's legal adviser had suggested that you might need to examine your conscience. Notwithstanding all that, you defend that because you say, and many agree with you, that you not possibly have realised how really relevant it was.</p>
<p>The defamation action comes on for trial. You successfully defend it in the High Court, on the basis of the new "reasonable publication" defence created by the Defamation Act 2009.It is quite clear that even the Reynolds privilege would not have sufficed under the pre-2009 legal position. The judge is very unhappy that enormous damage has been done to a lot of lives by your false story, but agrees that you were <em>bona fide</em> fairly careful and lays some emphasis on the fact that your editor and you spent hours discussing the legalities of publishing with solicitor and senior counsel before deciding to publish.</p><p>In her judgment, the judge also forensically (your <em>fave</em> word, until the appeal !) examines the evidence for Mr Big's assertions that you were motivated by malice against him, that your informant perpetrated the hoax in order to stymie the A plc/B plc deal, that you knew this, and that you happily went along with it because it suited your family members. She clearly and emphatically finds that each and every one of these claims is at variance with the evidence.</p>

<p>During the trial, Mr Big's legal team made an issue of whether the 2009 Act actually applied. It was an entirely technical issue of whether or not the relevant part of the Act had been brought into effect by Ministerial order  on the date of publication of your story. (As is fairly standard, the Act has a provision that meant it did not become law until the Minister for Justice made an order bringing it into effect). The High Court judge decided that it had, because the Minister had indeed signed the order, even though it remained sitting on his desk throughout the period that the story ran.</p><p>Mr Big appealed to the Supreme Court on this latter point alone. The appeal succeeded, the court taking the opportunity to clarify the important constitutional principle that a document signed in private cannot change the law until promulgated in public. The senior judge made no attempt to hide his dislike of the new Act, and prefaced his judgment with some robust remarks about it being a charter for smart-aleck trust-fund junkies who wanted the freedom to destroy the careers of public figures without ever having to justify their smears cloaked in the language of serving the public interest.</p> 
<p>Although you do not have a trust-fund, and the judge was probably unconsciously echoing (it happens) someone else's attack on a well-known former journalist turned successful author, everybody you know seems to take it as an accurate label for yourself. Some of your best friends even take to calling you "TFJ" semi-affectionately, and the nick-name sticks. Worse, everyone - even your own colleagues ! - incorrectly thinks that the whole Supreme Court decided that the High Court judge was wrong to dismiss Mr Big's nasty claims about your good faith.</p> <p></p>There is outrage when the DPP announces that you will not be prosecuted.<p>You suffer a nervous breakdown ("go bananas"), and never write a by-lined story again.</p>
</span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6583492.xml</wfw:commentRss></item><item><title>Fairness and Economic Recovery: A Poll</title><category>Civilisation and its Discontents</category><category>Economics</category><category>Inequality</category><category>Politics</category><dc:creator>Fergus O'Rourke</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate><link>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/2010/2/9/fairness-and-economic-recovery-a-poll.html</link><guid isPermaLink="false">54373:467440:6397186</guid><description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 118%;"><p></p><p>Last month, <a href="http://short.ie/fair">I was musing</a> on the relative merits of a "fair" approach to economic recovery as opposed to one that would be effective. <a href="http://short.ie/jol">Jim O'Leary's "Irish Times" article </a>very, um, fairly pointed out that even getting agreement on what <u>is</u> fair is fraught with problems.</p><p>I suggested that I might canvass opinion more widely on the question, and for that purpose I have now <a href="http://short.ie/fpoll">set up a poll here</a>. Why don't you vote in it ? </p><p>(By the way, while I am discussing this mainly with Irish circumstances in mind, the issue is universally relevant.)</p></span>]]></description><wfw:commentRss>http://www.irish-lawyer.com/journal/rss-comments-entry-6397186.xml</wfw:commentRss></item></channel></rss>