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My Reasons for Voting Against: Addendum

I promised the other day to explain why I was "almost" able to accept the QMV changes, the loss of a Commissioner for part of the time and that there was no threat to Irish neutrality. Unfortunately, I found the second part of the explanation for my vote so difficult to write that I forgot my promise. I remedy that now.

Neutrality:I am persuaded that the so-called "triple-lock" does protect Irish neutrality. However, as I voted really as a European on European issues, I am still a bit uneasy at the eagerness of other member states to emphasise the military aspect of the Union. Indeed, there continues to be confusion in the minds of many, especially in Mittel- and Eastern Europe, between NATO and the EU;

Loss of Commissioner: To be accurate, this battle was lost in the Nice referendum. Enough said.

Changes to QMV: By this, I mean to refer both to the extension of QMV (= loss of veto in many areas) and to the change of QMV weights. The logic of these is plausible, but not that difficult to counter. These are effectively irreversible changes to the balance of power in the EU. I am comfortable with their general direction, and in particular am happy to see Germany's weight increase, but not really with their drastic nature, especially in the light of the passerelle provision. (See below).

The passerelle would allow future constitutional changes to be made without the need for a new treaty provided the leaders of the member states unanimously so agreed at the time. This looks even creepier now that the referendum result has exposed the huge gap between the political elite and the People. I am not entirely reassured by the opinion of many Lisbon advocates that no Irish Taoiseach could agree without a referendum, and besides I care about the rights of voters in other members of the Union as well.

I would emphasise, though, that none of the above counted for more with me than the issues of democratic legitimacy to which I referred in Part 2.

The Factors That Influenced My Decision to Vote "No" Pt.2 of 2

I believe passionately in democracy, as in the Lincolnian formulation viz.

Government of the people, by the people and for the people

Although the EU is formally a democratic entity, and is indeed inclined to be rather arrogant about its democratic credentials, the ethos which governs the decisions of the leading elites is anti-democratic. Whereas democracy means that the People are sovereign, as Ireland's Constitution has it, the EU's ethos appears to be that, instead, those whom the representatives of the People select are entitled/obliged to delegate others to give governing power to people who never stand for election by ordinary voters.

The attitude of the EU leadership - and of most campaigners in Ireland for ratification - was so anti-democratic that one felt like voting against just to spite them. I am still horrified at the discovery, made during the campaign, that so many people think that it is quite all right not only for an electorate to accept a document that they do not understand ("Trust me, I am a politician") but even that legislators - entrusted by the voters to scrutinise proposed laws and to oversee the executive - consider it acceptable to pass into law measures that they do not understand ("Trust me, I am a Minister").

This is not how a truly democratic method of government functions.

I admit that this is not solely an EU issue. Nor is it only a problem with politicians. Most members of the professional classes, among whom I spend most of my time, are contemptuous of the democratic ethos.

The problem is not even confined to the professional classes, though: "ordinary" voters need to take their citizenship duties more seriously than they currently do.

As for the media, just don't get me started, as we say around here.

The reaction of EU leaders to the referendum result confirms me in my view. The soi-disant" Community of equals" wants to go ahead with the process of ratification. The only reasonable interpretation of this is that the aim is to bully the only member-state to consult the popular will. The Union leadership discards democratic methods reflexively, if they do not produce right answer.

Further development of the EU does not have my approval until this ethos changes.

To be fair, it is recognised by many at the highest level - and I was gratified to hear it expressed on Friday last by our Foreign Minister - that this is a real issue. That is what the Laeken Declaration was all about, and it led to an honest effort in the form of the Convention to address the problem. Unfortunately, it lost its way, not least because a person (Giscard d'Estaing) who virtually embodied the problem was selected to head the Convention. Moreover, he, predictably, propelled the process away from the real problem, producing a result with no real solutions for it.

This result was despite the worthy efforts of many participants.

The Factors That Influenced My Decision to Vote "No" Pt.1 of 2

First, this is a selection of the things that had nothing to do with my decision:

1. Fear about corporate tax rates. Lisbon or no Lisbon, there is a threat to the rate;

2. Ingratitude. I am very grateful to, especially, the German people for the support they gave us over the last 35 years. If the German People had voted emphatically for Lisbon, it would have been much harder for me to vote against it;

3. Neutrality: almost entirely absent from my thoughts;

4. Losing our Commissioner for one-third of the time - I could almost live with that;

5. QMV changes - I could almost live with them too;

(I will explain the repeated uses of "almost" in part 2).

6. Bad deal for Ireland: I don't agree with this formulation of the problem at all. Our negotiators did a reasonable job;

7. Abortion: The EU has modified our divorce law without democratic mandate, so the fear (or hope) that this could happen in other "moral " areas is not wholly irrational (and does play its part in my general scepticism). However, the abortion position is special and it played no part in my deliberations.

8. Support for Sinn Fein, Libertas, Coir, the Socialist party was most definitely not a factor for me, or for the vast majority of "No" voters. Were a General Election held tomorrow, the above-mentioned parties would be lucky to obtain a quarter of the 56% which the "No" answer attracted.

9.The alleged "new" supremacy of EU law which would obtain post-ratification.

On the other hand, there are good things in the Treaty (Charter of Fundamental Rights, better provision for scrutiny by national parliaments), as well as some meaningless things presented as good (e.g. "citizens' initiative").

Why I Voted NO

Posted on Friday, June 13, 2008 at 09:24AM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in , , | CommentsPost a Comment

Coming soon:The reasons that did, and - almost as important - the considerations that did not, result in my voting against ratification of the Lisbon Treaty.

Due to the pressure of obligations, my reasoned explanation is not yet ready for publication. However, as the ballot boxes start to be opened, this is my last opportunity to put that vote on record without fear of being accused of "post-hoc"revision to accord with the People's verdict.

Interruption

Posted on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 11:22AM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke | CommentsPost a Comment
Due to a health emergency in my family, my contributions have been, and will continue for a little while to be, few and far between.

Not a Catastrophe

The BBC's Europe editor, Mark Mardell, had an interesting article yesterday on the possible consequences of a negative referendum result. Some of the several dozen comments that it provoked were also interesting, and I may address some of the sensible ones here at a later stage.

It should go without saying, but unfortunately it does not: all those who vote a particular way cannot be tarred with the same brush. Thus, if I end up, as still appears more probable, voting against ratification of the Treaty, it does not follow that I subscribe to the notion that the independence of the USA has already been signed away in N.A.F.T.A.. Similarly, I am well aware that those who favour the opposite position include many who are otherwise sane and civilised devotees of Lincolnian democracy.

Is the EU a Democratic Entity ?

In Ireland, the People are sovereign. I would find it difficult to accept as democratic any entity wherein this was not the case. Despite its soi-disant committment to democratic values, however, the people who consider themselves (and are widely regarded by others) to speak for "the EU" impress me with their anti-democratic approach.

Typical is this response by "Waldo" to something I said on a Hungarian website:

Fergus, the European constitution was the EU's attempt to get the European citizens involved through an open and very understandable text.

Note the dichotomy between the EU and its citizens. In my view, the EU is its citizens; otherwise, it is not a democracy.

Waldo goes on:

I am for a more transparent, democratic and open working of the Union, however, this may not come in the way of the decent functioning of it's institutions.

I understand this to mean that he believes that the efficient functioning of the Union is more important than compliance with democratic criteria. This seems to be an accurate summary of the consensus view of the Euro-fanatics, and is one of the main reasons that I expect to be voting against the Lisbon Treaty. Although Ruairi Quinn would have us believe that this is not so, Waldo and his ilk clearly think that we are stupid, you see:

So to say it crudely: I am for a unreadable treaty so it may pass !

Another Good Reason to Vote Yes

Under the Lisbon Treaty, there would be a new obligation on the Commission to send legislative proposals to national parliaments. John Carroll of Semper Idem sets out the provisions here and I would echo most of his comments thereon.

It may seem odd, given what I said the other day, but I disagree with the comment left on the Irish Election page by someone calling themselves "Future Taoiseach". While the provision does carry a whiff of the same tokenism as the Citizens' Initiative, and the time limits are still unreasonable, I share Mr Carroll's optimism on the effect that the new procedure would have on increasing scrutiny of EU proposals by national legislators. Unlike the Citizens Initiative, the Commission is obliged to be pro-active in sending the information, and there are specific requirements for the Commission to address the issues raised by the national legislatures.

Again not a sufficient one, this is another good reason to vote for the Treaty.

One Good Reason to Vote "yes"

I think that I would now go so far as to agree that incorporation of the CFR into the EU legal order would be a good reason to vote for the Lisbon Treaty.Not a great one, perhaps, and not a sufficient one for me but still a good one.

If the Treaty is ratified, the institutions of the Union would be legally obliged to have regard to the provisions of the Charter in their dealings. Also, the CFR could be formally invoked in cases before the European Courts.

While I remain to be convinced that this will make much difference to the current practical position, there are definite benefits to this if only from a "tidying -up" perspective.

That Charter Again

Yer man in Rome* wants us to get enthused about the Charter of Fundamental Rights (hereinafter "CFR").

I am sorry, but I just can't see any rationality in this approach.

We older people - anyone over, say, 30 - should really get over the idea that producing a document and calling it a charter and/or having it refer to rights, fundamental, human or otherwise, automatically means that it is A Good Thing.

Would it be good for you to have the (fundamental human) right to insult people you despise ? No ? How about a (fundamental human) right not to be insulted ?

There seems to be nothing new in the CFR. I was wrong in an earlier post to say that the provision relating to it in the Lisbon Treaty would make no difference, but not that wrong. It would serve an important technical purpose, but in no sense could it be said to mark a Great Leap Forward.

Here are some relevant questions:

Does the CFR create any new rights for EU citizens ?

Is there anything in the CFR that is not already recognised in Irish law ?

Would the CFR allow us to appeal to the European Court of Justice ("ECJ") from Irish courts if we felt our fundamental human rights had been infringed ?

Could the an ECJ strike down a Directive or Framework (i.e laws made at EU level) because it contravened CFR ?

The answers may surprise some Treaty supporters.

*Note for non-Irish readers:This is not a coded reference to the Pope or to any other German.

Bad Arguments Again

In case you didn't get the message from this post, here's another quotation:

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments. (Friedrich Nietzsche)

Mind you, many of the people campaigning for ratification of the Lisbon Treaty are doing so while muttering under their breath "we shouldn't have to do this; referendums are wrong". You won't have to wait long for these people to refer to the use of plebiscites in Nazi Germany. Try this as an argument:

Hitler liked referendums and Nietzsche; Hitler was evil; therefore referendums and Nietzsche are wrong. Therefore, the best way of promoting a cause is to use faulty arguments.

Sigh.

A Good Reason to Vote Against

Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 09:48PM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in | CommentsPost a Comment

On Newstalk on Saturday (10/5/08), Ruairi Quinn responded to a complaint from Ulick McEvaddy about the opacity of the Treaty. He suggested that when buying a house or an airplane (UMcE has bought quite a few Boeing 707s), the "real deal" is simple but the legal document has to be complex, and that there is nothing abnormal or sinister about that.

Unfortunately, that is a misrepresentation of how we got this kind of treaty document. It is not "just one of those things" that the Treaty has been made complex. It is intentionally unintelligible. The politicans could have made it simple; they decided not to do so. "The Economist" weekly newspaper, whose Europhile credentials are impeccable, had the integrity to note this here as drafting proceeded, and again here.The titles of these articles -"Hee-hee Voters Fooled Again" and "Journalists for a Cover-up" - must make any genuine democrat's blood run cold.

Of a piece with this approach has been the extraordinary failure refusal of the EU to publish until last month a pro-forma consolidated version of the Treaties as reformed by Lisbon. Only with this consolidated version can one see what future constitution one is voting for, or against. For a very long time, the "official line" was that the right time to produce this document would not come until ratification was complete !

Just contemplate for a moment the ramifications of that stance. One - entirely fair in my opinion - paraphrase of it would be: when you have voted for it, we will let you see what it is.

The word "democracy" can be paraded as often as you like, but a Union where several units have ratified a constituent document without being able to see it in advance, cannot be validly called democratic. Hungarian legislators, for example, ratified the Lisbon Treaty three days, two of them being Saturday and Sunday, after it was signed.

If,as is still likely, I vote against the Treaty, it will be mainly because of the above.

On Having a GOOD Debate

So far I have only looked at apparently bad reasons to vote one way or the other in the Lisbon treaty referendum. This reflects the fact that most discussions that I have heard feature only bad reasons on either side. However, in making one's decision, the bad reasons on either side are irrelevant, I suggest. One reaches one's decision based on the weight one attaches to the various good reasons. There are good reasons to vote yes as well as good ones to vote no.

" It's a no-brainer" say some. I disagree; there are in fact very few "no-brainers", perhaps especially not in politics, and certainly not in constitutional politics.

Even in general, one should be careful of cosy consensus, as these celebrated quotations illustrate:

If we are all in agreement on the decision - then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.

(Alfred P. Sloan)

If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.

(George S. Patton)

(Note to Lucinda Creighton T.D.: now would not be a good time to observe that both of these quotations were by Americans, and dead ones at that.)

Not A Good Reason to Vote Yes

Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 02:51PM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in , | Comments2 Comments

Even those who are not familiar with Californian politics may have heard of the ballot initiative, which gave us the infamous "three strikes" law, whereby a person convicted of three serious crimes must be imprisoned for life. I abhor that law, but rather like the idea of a ballot initiative.

You could be forgiven, then, for thinking that I might, like Fine Gaeler John Carroll, be enthused by the Citizens' Initiative provision in the Treaty.

Well, I am not.

I cannot understand how anyone could seriously enthuse about this meaningless idea. With no Lisbon Treaty, it is just as easy (or difficult) for one million voters to propose something to the Commission. Even if the Treaty is ratified, such a proposal will have just as much, or as little, legal status as it would do now. The Commission, which has the monopoly on initiating legislation at Union level, would be obliged to consider any Citizens' Initiative that it might receive, but "consideration" does not have to be more than a quick glance on the way to the waste-paper basket.

Corporate Tax yet again

Posted on Saturday, May 3, 2008 at 05:43PM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in | CommentsPost a Comment

As I warned on Tuesday, I return to the issue of the threat to Ireland's very low (12.5%) corporate tax rate.

Briefly, my summary would be that there is indeed a threat. It would be misleading, if not dishonest, to say that there is no threat and/or that the veto gives us absolute protection. Ireland has already changed the rate at least twice before, explicitly in response to EU pressure.

That said, ratification of the Lisbon Treaty will have a very minor effect, if any, upon the likelihood of that threat increasing. On the Dunphy/Giles scale, it rates well short of a platini as a reason to vote "No".

I have examined the provisions cited by Mr Bonde, and my conclusion is very much in line with the useful comment left by "fd".

Bonde describes the wording of the proposed new article 113 as significant, constituting a

"clear invitation to the European Court to out-law the very distorting low Irish rate...Today the EU is only competent to harmonise tax laws if it is “necessary to ensure the establishment of the internal market”. With Lisbon the EU can also harmonise if competition is distorted - this is a much wider concept. When is competition not distorted by differences ? "

The Treaty provisions are clear and not disputed or disputable. The EU cannot impose tax harmonisation without unanimity i.e. the veto stays. Bonde's point was not to dispute that, but to note that the Treaty adds a new criterion for the assessment of changes viz. distortion of competition. I suspect that he goes too far in suggesting that the new wording is an invitation to the ECJ to strike down Ireland's corporation tax rate on the basis of its distortionary effects, and Mr Bonde is not a lawyer. Apart from anything else, the reference to such effects in the proposed art. 113 (old number 93) is in the much more logical context of transaction taxes, like V.A.T..

However, if one asks whether it is beyond the bounds of possibility that a successful legal challenge might be mounted to the Irish tax rate, and that the challenge might derive support from the wording to which Bonde draws attention, I suspect - though I am not an expert in that field - that the answer cannot be definitive. That is often the case with "expert" answers, of course.

Mr Bonde observes that "So, if I was Irish and interested in the low corporate tax - which I am not - I would propose a strong protocol to protect the low rate."

The truth is that Ireland's negotiators probably asked for such a protocol, or at least considered doing so, but decided, perhaps wisely, not to make it a break-point.

Ireland's corporate tax rate is, and always will be, under threat. No single provision in the Lisbon Treaty directly makes that threat any greater than it already is. The French moves to which Mr Bonde refers will not cease if Lisbon falls.

All that said, if the Treaty succeeded in what some say is its main aim of "streamlining" the workings of Union government, then anomalies such as our tax rate be will less likely to survive. If one ignores the economic benefits of further integration and the reduction of barriers to trade and competition, and focusses exclusively on the tax rate, then, one could rationalise it as a reason to vote against the Treaty.

That would barely even rate a "dunphy" on the Dunphy/Giles scale though, would it ?

Corporation Tax Again

Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 at 02:04PM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in , | CommentsPost a Comment

I had not intended to revisit this issue so soon (or even at all) and would probably not be doing so but for the mention of Cork in this comment by the redoubtable Jens-Peter Bonde(it is close to the bottom of the web-page).(The comment was brought to my attention by fellow-Corkman, the indefatigable Tony Coughlan).

Mr Bonde believes that the Court of Justice could outlaw what he calls our very distorting low corporation tax rate by use of a new provision to be introduced by the Lisbon Treaty. It seems to me that he does make a new and potentially important point on the difference between the requirement for unanimity on a possible new EU tax policy, and the possibility that a particular existing tax regime, such as the Irish one, might be found to be distortionary. The veto would be of little help in the latter scenario.

The issue just won't go away - even though, as I have said, it leaves me somewhat cold - and I doubt that the Referendum Commission's opinion on itwill end the debate. I have not yet read that opinion yet, and had been planning to avoid doing so; but Mr Bonde has now piqued my interest.

Be warned that this means that I will have to address the issue yet again.

Not a Reason to Vote "no"

Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 at 12:17PM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in | CommentsPost a Comment

Opponents of the Treaty tend to suggest that there is a threat to Ireland's freedom to set its own tax rates, but this is not an issue for me in considering how to vote, for two reasons.

First, it seems to me that it is unlikely that those with a direct involvement in Irish corporate affairs would be as unworried about this possibility as they clearly are, if there actually was a realistic threat.

My second reason possibly shows what a "good European" I am really, notwithstanding my increasing scepticism about "the project". You see, I am somewhat persuaded that it is necessary for the Single Market which has been so good for Ireland for harmonisation of tax rates to be better.

Song for Giscard

Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 at 11:50AM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in , , , | CommentsPost a Comment

I sat into the car this morning and, for the umpteenth time - a pleasure on each occasion - was greeted with the Amy Winehouse version of "Valerie"(I would credit the writer if I could find out who it was). And I looked across the land and thought of all the things that it could mean and in my head I got a picture of .... Valery Giscard d'Estaing.

Asked by the EC to head an effort to "bring Europe closer to its People" in line with the Laeken Declaration, Giscard arguably achieved the opposite with his (some say) onomatopoeiac Constitution project "EUC" for which no-one had asked and which in turn has led to the even yukkier (all agree) Lisbon Treaty.

So, as one does, I avoided Aine Lawlor (always a good idea) and wondered how the song should be altered to meet the requirements of the referendum campaign. This is what I got before I moved on to better things:

Well Sometimes I Go Out, By Myself, And I talk down to voters

And I Think Of All The Things, Of What You Did, And in my head I Paint A Picture

Since demotion, Well My Pitch's Been A Mess, And I Miss the Laeken thing, And The tameness of the Press

Oh Won't You Come On Over, Stop Making A Fool Out Of Me, Why Dont You Come On Over, Va- a -alery

Valer-y-y

Valery

Valery

Did You Have To write a Con, Put the whole project Up As one, Did You Get A Good Lawyer

You bloody blew it all, I Hope You Find The Right Pol, Who'll Fix It For You

Are You Speaking Anywhere, Change The Colour Of Your PR, And Are You Busy

It needs work, and please feel free to take it on and finish it. I see it as one for Dick Roche. I suspect, though, that our "Minister for Europe" does not want Valery to "come on over".

Treaty Does Nothing for ... Kevin Myers

Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at 03:14PM by Registered CommenterFergus O'Rourke in | CommentsPost a Comment

Kevin "The Colonel"Myers is a columnist who has often provoked me to fury with his whacky contrarianism, but occasionally he gets it just right. (Indeed, both have occurred simultaneously once or twice !)

His column today in "The Irish Independent" (I got a free copy on the Park & Ride bus, since you ask) seems to me to fall into the latter category.

Highlights for me were:

I have not read the Lisbon Treaty. I tried.The Lisbon phonebook is more fun.

... the other extreme, the one that scolds us for being bad boys, and which warns we'll start chucking one another into gas chambers unless we obey the latest EU directive on bagpipe -noise, or the colour of our lawns, why, that encompasses almost our entire political class ... Mary Hanafin actually said that unless the European project was fully realised, the alternative was another Auschwitz

Merely because the Shinners were pockmarked savages with the blood of thousands of innocents on their hands in the past, doesn't mean they're always wrong today. And on the future of Ireland, they're right.Moreover, you can hardly celebrate the wicked obscenity of 1916 today, as Fianna Fail and Fine Gael apparently do, and in the same breath celebrate the loss of sovereignty implicit in the current Eurination, as they also do.

Note that I do not necessarily agree with the assessment of SF's view of the future of Ireland. And I don't understand the reference to the Battle of the Somme: I thought that the Colonel rather glorified in that obscenity ... oh wait !

Nor have I finally decided to vote against the Treaty.

Fundamental Rights: Lisbon Makes No Change

Some cite the EU's new(ish)Charter of Fundamental rights as a reason to vote in favour of the Lisbon Treaty.

I have never seen how that could stand up to any analysis: even if the Irish Constitution's own provisions are not deemed adequate, Irish citizens have access to the protection of the European Convention on Human Rights ("ECHR"). What could the EU add to that ?

Well, the answer is "nothing at all"and Ralf Grahn's excellent commentary confirms that no-one (except misguided or mendacious treaty advocates) is really pretending any different.

He points out that:

Interestingly, the Charter does not confer any new rights on the citizens of the European Union. The rights and principles mentioned are all derived from the Treaties and existing EU legislation, the Council of Europe Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and other international documents.

There is a reason that making the ECHR redundant for EU citizens would anyway be a bad idea. That reason is this:At present, the ECHR covers countries such as Russia which have no prospect of becoming EU members. If the EU effectively withdrew from the Convention, I contend that protection of Convention rights in places like Turkey and Russia would be weakened. Who wants that ?

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